
Sirexer
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Q: What is the reason for the conflict between the SRB2 Workshop community and the official SRB2 community (as well as its satellites)?
A: The conflict between SRB2Workshop and the official SRB2 community is a continuation of the conflict between the official SRB2 community and the SRB2RU community, since this forum was founded by SRB2RU members in response to the SRB2MB forum policy. SRB2RU at that time was not even a completely separate community, but rather a segment of a single SRB2 community, and its members published addons on SRB2MB. When this conflict broke out, there was a split in the SRB2 community. Now about the conflict itself. The conflict began when the staff of the SRB2MB forum made it clear that their site was not a reliable enough place to publish addons.
Q: What exactly made you think that the SRB2MB forum is an unreliable place?
A: The moment when the SRB2MB staff refused to publish an addon, on which one very productive SRB2 modder worked for more than a year, spending a lot of personal resources on it. The reason for the refusal was the fact that a previously banned member participated in the development of this addon. Moreover, a number of other projects have already included a number of developments from this person. An attempt was made to negotiate with the SRB2MB staff to mitigate their policy, but it did not bring success. Their only suggestion was to replace or delete all the content made by the banned participant. We chose to create an alternative community instead.
Q: Why did you decide to create an alternative community instead of fulfilling the requirements of the SRB2MB staff?
A: The answer will be more complicated than it may seem at first glance. Firstly, the SRB2RU community is relatively small, it has no more than 150 participants, among whom there are no active scripters with a sufficient level of training to replace a banned SRB2MB member. In addition, we know the psychology of this person well, because we have been very actively interacting with this person for a long time, and we are able to work with him. Interacting with English-speaking people is much more difficult for us. Secondly, it is doubtful for us that we would have found a scripter who would have agreed to rewrite ALL the scripts of the banned participant properly. Eventually, many of us would simply lose the pace and motivation to develop. And what is all this for? Just for the sake of having our addons posted on some fucking forum? A very dubious decision.
Q: How did the SRB2MB staff justify such a decision when you tried to negotiate with them?
A: Their main argument is based on an extremely naive and stupid assumption that a ban on the publication of the content of banned participants will lead to the termination of attempts by these banned participants to infiltrate the community under other names. Our experience shows that, at least in the case of a Sonic1983 participant banned on MB, this has never worked. We also repeatedly banned Sonic1983 for long periods, and during these bans, this character still penetrated our community.
Q: And what is their counterargument to your argument?
A: They have no argument. The SRB2MB staff continues to stand their ground. We don't know what the reason for this is. Perhaps it's just plain stubbornness. Perhaps distrust of us (of our experience). And it is possible that the real reason for the use of such measures has no rational grounds, it's just that the members of the SRB2 staff burn the ass from this person so much that they are ready to shit other modders, just to make their anus feel comfortable.
About differences in the philosophy and traditions of communities:
Q: What are the main differences in the philosophy and traditions of these two communities?
A: As it could be understood from the previous questions, the main difference is that we do not base our policy on stupid, naive, unsubstantiated assumptions, but are guided by our experience. In part, the rule follows from this: the content of banned participants does not fall under the ban, and other people can publish it. But this is not the only difference. Another significant innovation: Red Sphere and Blue Sphere sections.
Q: What is the concept of the Red Sphere and Blue Sphere sections?
A: The Blue Sphere section repeats the MB policy regarding copyright (more correctly, pseudo-copyright) in terms of publishing addons. Its essence is to ask the authors of addons for permission to edit (this also includes porting/borrowing assets) his work, if you have a need for editing.
The Red Sphere introduces an alternative tradition: there is no need to ask permission here, it is enough to specify the authors of the original addon and publish a link to it.
Q: Don't you think it's hypocrisy and an attempt to "sit on two chairs" to create two sections?
A: No, I don't think so. The policy of the Red Sphere section seems healthier to us, but many moderators still continue to work and think in the paradigm of the Blue Sphere section, so we decided to leave it. Moreover, the founders of the community continue to work in the old paradigm, since they are mostly satisfied with it (but not so much that they do not provide an alternative). Probably, after all, we were greatly influenced by a long stay in the official community.
Q: How exactly does the blue section repeat the "copyright" policy with MB?
A: Pretty accurate. But there is one serious difference: the content of authors who could not be contacted for quite a long time (especially if this author was banned) is allowed to be edited. And the rest seems to be the same.
A: The conflict between SRB2Workshop and the official SRB2 community is a continuation of the conflict between the official SRB2 community and the SRB2RU community, since this forum was founded by SRB2RU members in response to the SRB2MB forum policy. SRB2RU at that time was not even a completely separate community, but rather a segment of a single SRB2 community, and its members published addons on SRB2MB. When this conflict broke out, there was a split in the SRB2 community. Now about the conflict itself. The conflict began when the staff of the SRB2MB forum made it clear that their site was not a reliable enough place to publish addons.
Q: What exactly made you think that the SRB2MB forum is an unreliable place?
A: The moment when the SRB2MB staff refused to publish an addon, on which one very productive SRB2 modder worked for more than a year, spending a lot of personal resources on it. The reason for the refusal was the fact that a previously banned member participated in the development of this addon. Moreover, a number of other projects have already included a number of developments from this person. An attempt was made to negotiate with the SRB2MB staff to mitigate their policy, but it did not bring success. Their only suggestion was to replace or delete all the content made by the banned participant. We chose to create an alternative community instead.
Q: Why did you decide to create an alternative community instead of fulfilling the requirements of the SRB2MB staff?
A: The answer will be more complicated than it may seem at first glance. Firstly, the SRB2RU community is relatively small, it has no more than 150 participants, among whom there are no active scripters with a sufficient level of training to replace a banned SRB2MB member. In addition, we know the psychology of this person well, because we have been very actively interacting with this person for a long time, and we are able to work with him. Interacting with English-speaking people is much more difficult for us. Secondly, it is doubtful for us that we would have found a scripter who would have agreed to rewrite ALL the scripts of the banned participant properly. Eventually, many of us would simply lose the pace and motivation to develop. And what is all this for? Just for the sake of having our addons posted on some fucking forum? A very dubious decision.
Q: How did the SRB2MB staff justify such a decision when you tried to negotiate with them?
A: Their main argument is based on an extremely naive and stupid assumption that a ban on the publication of the content of banned participants will lead to the termination of attempts by these banned participants to infiltrate the community under other names. Our experience shows that, at least in the case of a Sonic1983 participant banned on MB, this has never worked. We also repeatedly banned Sonic1983 for long periods, and during these bans, this character still penetrated our community.
Q: And what is their counterargument to your argument?
A: They have no argument. The SRB2MB staff continues to stand their ground. We don't know what the reason for this is. Perhaps it's just plain stubbornness. Perhaps distrust of us (of our experience). And it is possible that the real reason for the use of such measures has no rational grounds, it's just that the members of the SRB2 staff burn the ass from this person so much that they are ready to shit other modders, just to make their anus feel comfortable.
About differences in the philosophy and traditions of communities:
Q: What are the main differences in the philosophy and traditions of these two communities?
A: As it could be understood from the previous questions, the main difference is that we do not base our policy on stupid, naive, unsubstantiated assumptions, but are guided by our experience. In part, the rule follows from this: the content of banned participants does not fall under the ban, and other people can publish it. But this is not the only difference. Another significant innovation: Red Sphere and Blue Sphere sections.
Q: What is the concept of the Red Sphere and Blue Sphere sections?
A: The Blue Sphere section repeats the MB policy regarding copyright (more correctly, pseudo-copyright) in terms of publishing addons. Its essence is to ask the authors of addons for permission to edit (this also includes porting/borrowing assets) his work, if you have a need for editing.
The Red Sphere introduces an alternative tradition: there is no need to ask permission here, it is enough to specify the authors of the original addon and publish a link to it.
Q: Don't you think it's hypocrisy and an attempt to "sit on two chairs" to create two sections?
A: No, I don't think so. The policy of the Red Sphere section seems healthier to us, but many moderators still continue to work and think in the paradigm of the Blue Sphere section, so we decided to leave it. Moreover, the founders of the community continue to work in the old paradigm, since they are mostly satisfied with it (but not so much that they do not provide an alternative). Probably, after all, we were greatly influenced by a long stay in the official community.
Q: How exactly does the blue section repeat the "copyright" policy with MB?
A: Pretty accurate. But there is one serious difference: the content of authors who could not be contacted for quite a long time (especially if this author was banned) is allowed to be edited. And the rest seems to be the same.
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